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Post by jettigre on Sept 4, 2009 9:16:52 GMT -5
Go Jackie !!!! Go Jackie !!!! Go Jackie !!!! ;D
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Post by crave on Sept 4, 2009 22:04:14 GMT -5
They completely took the topic off Jett's message board. Wow, Gus is so smart!!
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Post by rknron on Sept 5, 2009 0:07:10 GMT -5
it was the most read of all the recent threads. close to 3,000 views.
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Post by dagtoking1 on Sept 5, 2009 1:29:30 GMT -5
Jettigre- Love your avatar of Jackie - just beautiful.
Wow, they took the entire thread off? What did I miss? I am sure I got slammed by a certain someone for my last post but whatever; I don't have time to check in there everyday and I can't be bothered with the juvenile mentality.
I was thinking about the money angle and since Joan doesn't need the money why would she care if she has to give some to the other bandmates? Surely this litagation is costing her a bundle. Why not just take that money and give it to the bandmates to end the drama? I gotta say I'm going with the control issue for Joan and the money issue for Kenny. I may be wrong but that's how I am seeing it.
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Post by crave on Sept 5, 2009 8:21:55 GMT -5
Gus, I thought you were sooooo disGUSted with this board? Yet you're back?
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Post by jettigre on Sept 5, 2009 11:11:28 GMT -5
Oh
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Post by isitdayornight on Sept 5, 2009 17:28:53 GMT -5
Going by what's been on all message and Myspace boards and my personal (yet limited) acquaintance by the members. I would say that Joan herself probably wouldn't have had an issue with Edgeplay. I know that she is very proud and protective of the band (as all of us are). It seemed logical and acceptable to me for an ex-Runaway- turned- movie director/producer to do a film featuring interviews and concert footage of the band. I'm guessing Joan's manager saw this as a possible missed opportunity to make some cash and felt the need to throw a wrench in the project. I know for a fact that Vicki worked long and hard, wearing most all of the hats and footing the bill for Edgeplay and I think it was an awesome movie despite the obsticles she had to face and succumb to. But as they say..."What goes around...."
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Post by oldmanlarkin on Sept 6, 2009 0:56:13 GMT -5
Um I love Joan as much as or more than most. But the reason she had nothing to do with Edgeplay was because Kenny could not figure how his combed-over arse could make a buck on it. And what is not good for Kenny's combed-over butt is not good for Joanie, and Kenny will throw multiple wrenches in there to prove it.
Need an example? Ask Lita sometime who and why there was never a Runaways reunion. It's like yelling into a canyon. Yell "BECAUSE KENNY DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY!!!".... see what comes back
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Post by jettigre on Sept 6, 2009 2:24:16 GMT -5
I AGREE with you !!!! Couldn't say it better myself......... Here is a CREEPY pix of SATAN himself !!!!
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Post by crave on Sept 6, 2009 7:49:13 GMT -5
When I read what the details of the reunion might have been, it was sad. Joan's road manager was gonna make more than the band members??? WTF? I have no idea if that is accurate, but I'm almost positive Vicki said it and that's why Lita said no.
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Post by Hawkeye on Sept 6, 2009 23:04:19 GMT -5
there was more to it then that. It's just not that cut and dried
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Post by dagtoking1 on Sept 7, 2009 0:03:57 GMT -5
Yes, I remember that as well...she said that Lita's manager offered to do it for half the price but that BH refused and it was just not do-able because of it. She also said that Joan was going to get a bigger cut then the other band mates (and that it was justified) due to her status which says to me that the others had already made concessions to make this happen, but the road manager thing was the deal breaker because they would be doing it for literally nothing.
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Post by rknron on Sept 7, 2009 0:07:29 GMT -5
I must say I have a love/hate affinity for the guy. Over the years, I have seen him do some incredibly nice things for fans of Joan. He has been an important part of Joan's career and financial success in the Blacheart era, there is no arguing that. But, I feel his influence on Joan, sometimes, impacts her negatively.
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Post by dagtoking1 on Sept 7, 2009 2:06:35 GMT -5
Ok, I thought I might have Vicki's quotes and I do since they were made on my old board Hollywood Dream.
What Vicki had said was this:
Re Reunion Tour:
Please note, that this in in regard to the last reunion offer which came about 5 years ago. The offer, which ironically was procured by Lita, was contingent upon having both Joan and Lita involved. For the first time, everyone, including Joan, agreed to participate and everyone was extremely excited about it.
As the deal points were being negotiated, special consideration understandably had to be made in keeping with Joan's present career and no one had any problems with that until it was put to us that Kenny Laguna had to be The Runaways manager now and that all the finances had to be run through Blackheart. That's when the problems began. At that point, Lita suggested getting a neutral manager for The Runaways as The Runaways were a separate entity from Joan Jett/Blackheart. We were then told that Joan Jett would not participate unless Kenny ran the show.
While that was being digested, we were also told that Joan's tour manager was already recruited to be the tour manager at a cost of $200K for a 40 date American tour. That was an insane amount - so Lita called her tour manager who agreed to do it for $50K. We were told that Joan Jett would not participate unless her tour manager ran the show.
And so on...And so on...
It got to the point where at the end of the 40 date American tour, each girl would have gone home with about $1,200.00 out of a 3.5 million dollar budget. It didn't make sense and that is the condensed version of why it combusted.
Now that you guys have read that part there was a part in the beginning that I want to rehash because there was some discussion on Joan's board about Vicki editing out Lita's statement about taking time off until Cherie returned. About that Vick said this:
It's true, Lita did say exactly that, and Cherie knows that the only reason it was not in the film is because we had a serious audio problem at that point which made it completely inaudible. We tried in vain to fix it on the sound stage because I wanted to include it - but couldn't. A simple VO (Voice Over) could have fixed the problem in a heartbeat, but that was also out of the question as Cherie's "management" blocked our "access" to her, as they did requests to include Cherie's solo music in the film - which was a shame for a variety of reasons. (It's also fair to say that Cherie was willing to contribute her solo music)
Cherie is a very talented songwriter, as well as performer (one of my favourites, in fact) and she could have benefited from the exposure, as well as the royalties that the film has now begun to pay out.
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Sorry, this wasn't clear at all...Yes, Lita made the statement - which towards the end of the statement became inaudible due to technical interference. I wanted to bring Cherie in to do a VO to "cheat" Lita's audio by responding to it and in doing so, "finishing" the thought process. Then we would have just put Cherie's VO as in audio only track under some b-roll footage to complete the thought process.
PS: I couldn't use Lita to fix HER audio because she wasn't in the country. So we had to find a work around if we were going to use this clip.
The comment is not really significant to the film or the story, but...
Edgeplay was to be (on the surface) a film about the band, but it was also meant to be an internal healing process within the band. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way through...
There were things within the context of the film that were important to each girl individually and on a very personal, private level. Things known only to band members, which I don't want to reveal and for the most part - people watching the film won't even be aware of. Part of the reason for making the film was to try to "right" some of the "wrongs" and somehow make it better. That was my intention.
Dag - For those reasons, the Lita comment was important. For Cherie personally, of course, but it also shows that a lot of the "bad" press Lita gets for "sabotaging" the reunion tour is a bit unfounded and skewed. Speaking for Lita here - she tried very hard to find a situation where the band could reunite, if only for a moment, but on a business level, it quickly became impossible and stopped making sense. It was tremendously unbalanced and that is why she pulled out. And I don't blame her for a moment for doing that. We spent many hours on the phone together trying to find a way to make it work and with what we had to deal with - it just wasn't going to work.
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Post by jettigre on Sept 7, 2009 4:22:31 GMT -5
When did Vicki say this ?
I BELIEVE every word she said !!!!
Kenny is another KIM FOWLEY ......
IMO
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